What if Isreal was Created in Ireland?

Question

What if it was not Palestine? How do you suggest resolving the conflict? To help you, I have taken the Palestinian names out of the equation and replaced them with Irish names.

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In 1917 British foreign secretary issued the Balfour declaration to the Zionist Federation to establish a national home for the Jews in Ireland. Zionist Jews started emigrating to Ireland. This emigration increased significantly with the rise of Nazism and anti-Semitism in Europe. The Jews in Ireland increased from 8% to 33% of the population. The UN voted in 1947 to partition Ireland about 50/50 between the Jews and the Irish people. At that time the Jews owned 7% of the land, and the Irish owned the rest. The Irish people rejected the deal and war broke out. However, the Zionists had planned for this war and were well prepared, so they defeated the Irish and occupied most of Ireland and ethnically cleansed most of the Irish people from that area. They then passed a law that grants Israeli citizenship for any Jew in the world who emigrates to Israel. However, none of the Irish refugees were allowed to return.

Many of the Irish were displaced to Northern Ireland. The majority became refugees in Britain and France. The new Israel gave Israeli citizenship to the remaining Irish and gave them voting rights claiming that they were the best democracy in Europe. However those Irish people were not allowed to own land, or bring their refugee relatives to visit them. The few Irish towns that remained received poor services from the Israeli government. The ethnically cleansed Irish towns were renamed with Hebrew names and occupied by new arriving Zionist settlers.

In 1967 Israel attacked Northern Ireland and occupied it resulting in the displacement of more Irish people. Some Irish fought back to regain their land, but they were called terrorists. Israel blamed Britain for not granting citizenships to the Irish refugees and blamed France for keeping the Irish people in refugee camps. Peace negotiations started in 1993 to reach a peace treaty by 1999 based on a 2-state solution where the Irish can establish their state in Northern Ireland, and Israel gets the rest. The Irish have to recognize Israel’s right to exist as a Jewish state over that part in return. Israel gave civil control of populated areas of Northern Ireland to the Irish in the meantime.

During that time, Israel continued building illegal settlements in Northern Ireland and implemented a blockade on Irish con

Answer 1

Ironically, the first choice for the Zionists to be their "homeland" was not Palestine.



1904: The Fourth Zionist Congress decided to establish a national home for Jews in Argentina.



Herzl was not particularly religious – in fact he was not particularly concerned at first even to make Palestine the target area for the new Jewish “homeland”. He considered Argentina at one stage. However it soon became obvious that the Jewish Biblical myths were a potent source of inspiration for developing an exclusivist and highly nationalistic Jewish identity.



read



John Rose

Israel: The Hijack State

The Origins of Zionism

http://www.marxists.de/middleast/rose/4-origin.htm



giving Palestine to the Zionists with the help of the UK back then and strongly supported by the USA till now, was not a religious issue and certainly "God" has nothing to do with it.



it was for political reasons, the west has their interests in the middle east and they wanted to protect it.

After the second world war, considerable care was taken to prevent establishment

of Arab Federation, which would threaten Western oil interests in the

region. It seems that the very creation of the State of Israel was approved

by the Western diplomats to create a wedge in the Arab world.

Answer 2

Oddly you left out the Jewish historical connection to the parcel of land concerned. Both parties have valid claim to the same land. It was Judea before it was renamed Palestine. You can look it up in Roman history.It becomes simple when you leave parts out of the equation, eh?



When you tell history - tell ALL of it. Don't twist it.



Both groups need to learn to get along. Being a hardliner on either side will just continue the bloodshed. Neither group is getting anywhere as it stands. Just continually causing pointless suffering of civilians - on BOTH sides. Both sides are in the wrong, and both sides have innocent blood on their hands.



Given the Jewish history of the holocaust and pogroms before and after that - it should be obvious they will never back down and leave. Hamas logically cannot win. The only thing staying Israels hand is the disapprobation of it's strongest allies, the UK and the US. Without their influence, this would be even bloodier. The EU is not an effective power broker what with its history of antisemitism. Hamas is harming it's own people by it's actions. Israels response was and is totally predictable. Hamas knew that as well and is using its casualties as political fodder.



The whole thing is pointless bloodshed. They need to sit down and talk.



Trying to garner sympathy by not telling the whole story and bringing the Irish history into it is just a bit transparent. The two situations, although there is occupied land involved, are really not the same at all.

Answer 3

Interesting comparison but although I am not Irish I think the Jews would find the IRA a lot more difficult to handle than Hamas. It would also put America in an embarrassing position as not only are they allies to Britain but many supported the IRA with aid donated by Noraid.

One thing is for sure Israel would never have got away with that as Britain would most certainly have sided with the Irish and sent them all back to their country of origin. But I see your point Why Lord Balfour decided to put a hoard of Jews smack in the middle of lands owned by the Arabs defies belief. Bit like putting a herd of deers in a lions cage

Answer 4

Problem:

There can't be any solution.

Why?

Because the zionists (the zionist government) doesn't want a solution.

The way they are handling it now is the only way for them.

You know they don't want to listen to the U.N. (listening to palestinian people is impossible for this government, anyway).

I think now they are using the method the U.S. government used in Nicaragua against the Sandinistas (look it up and you'll understand).

Well at the end, the U.S. government said: You either accept our choice as "head of your state" or this won't stop.

And the Nicaraguenses accepted, now in 2009 they elected a Sandinista as president of their state (almost a happy end) since the U.S. is losing control over Latin America, and they couldn't bother to get more problems than they already have.

BUT lamentably Palestine stands alone.

Answer 5

I find it interesting that everyone is either extremely pro-Israel or pro-Palestine. I dont think either one is morally right. Yes what Isreal is doing is wrong and too extreme but also i think Hamas is one of the most horrific barbaric organisations in the world. i can see why they were elected, the Palestine people are desperate. but Hamas is an evil organisation that needs to be destroyed and wiped out my any means necessary. they are a million times more evil and sick then Taliban and Al Qaeda. They kill their own children by the hundreds so that world opinions blame Israel, and the world hates Israel!? But in saying that, it is Israel's fault why Hamas has come about... there is only so much the Palestinians can take before they are so desperate that they elect a group like Hamas. Neither has the moral ground in my opinion, its too complex of a situation for one to claim such!

Answer 6

Dear Sometimes i feel that we do so strong efforts to convince west about the problem of Palestinian in all ways but we feel disappointed that they do not understand our point of view , but the real thing they know very will what they did and they accept this with cold nerves also they use ugly logic to talk about that and to turn black into whit .



In Davos all people clap for Pareas despite that he was telling lies and i remember that he said through - the last 60 years we face 7 wars and 2 intifada who can accept that- and no one stand and ask what your country was before 60 years , and why you inter 7 wars , and why people fight you .



I can't understand how much this world is ugly

Answer 7

The only solution to this conflict will come when Hamas gets accepted as the democratically elected leaders in Gaza and the state sponsored terrorist IDF stop their violence.Even Tony Blair reckons it was a bad idea to try to side line Gaza and it was this that brought about the present conflict.

Sir Gerald Kaufman has a deal more to say about Israeli actions that makes it abundantly clear that not all Jewish people approve of the brutal tactics of Israel.

http://ie.youtube.com/watch?v=qMGuYjt6CP8

Answer 8

Ireland is not for yours to give, but if it was !!?? As the Israelis were there (in Israel first), why not give it to the Palestinains ??

Answer 9

How far back in history do you want to go? You've conveniently started at 1917 which suits your argument. The Jews could claim that they occupied that land long before that and were driven off it.



The only solution to this conflict will come when Hamas and all the other terrorist organisations stop their violence. You cannot rule with the ballot box and the armalite. You must choose one or the other.



They will never beat Israel because Israel has a lot more weaponry at their disposal. Dialogue is the only way.

Answer 10

I can copy&paste too:



I would suggest to move Israel to Israel, where it belongs, after all, if Israel hadn't been created where it is now, the area would be just another neglected part of Jordan, with very small Arab population.



Seriously, don't you get tired of dictating the history of your bizarro world?



There are so many differences between the situation you describe and the real world, that any conclusion would be totally irrelevant to the current situation.

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Oh, and in case you wondered how do I find your repeated question over and over again - I'm magical.

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What true history? the one you talk about is fictional.

Answer 11

Good Point! How about if we give Texas to the Jews and let them expand their settlements until all Texans are extinguished? This angle might make things come clearer for westerners. I'll check back to see the answers.

Answer 12

They are very similar conflicts, we let Ireland go free. We should let Palestine do the same.

Answer 13

And your point is??????????/

Answer 14

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